Markin Posted May 23, 2017 https://kitup.military.com/2017/05/modular-handgun-system-3.html So it looks like the Marines will also be fielding the P320 Pistol, glomming onto the Army contract. Any chance of getting it and the M27 IAR sometime in our potential kit? https://kitup.military.com/2017/02/marines-iar-infantry-service-rifle.html
Maj (Ret) Ray Posted May 23, 2017 I don't believe RHS has a P320/XM17/M17. And there's no real time pressure to include it: the first M17s will be delivered to the 101st Airborne at the end of 2017. MAJ E. RAY Retired MRB Command Staff (R)
J. Wolfe Posted May 23, 2017 I though Raiders were issued M45s as standard, did that change somewhere along the line?
Maj (Ret) Ray Posted May 23, 2017 10 hours ago, HN J. Wolfe said: I though Raiders were issued M45s as standard, did that change somewhere along the line? All four primary branches of the US Armed Forces are adopting the M17. The Marines are buying 35,000. It's unknown if that's for conventional Marine forces only (replacing the M1911A1, M9, etc.) or also includes MARSOC. For now, we don't really have an accurate M45 pistol, so I guess strict immersion dictates the M9 as the closest approximate representation, while the more practical minded would probably take the Custom Covert II as it's the only pistol in the arsenal with a suppressor. MAJ E. RAY Retired MRB Command Staff (R)
SSgt (Ret) M. Woods Posted May 23, 2017 There Is A Suppressor For The Glock, but it is only available with a full arseal. Not sure why we have have not added those to our arsenal, unless others are not aware either SSGT M. WOODS Retired
SSgt (Ret) Truscott Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, 1stLt Ray said: All four primary branches of the US Armed Forces are adopting the M17. The Marines are buying 35,000. It's unknown if that's for conventional Marine forces only (replacing the M1911A1, M9, etc.) or also includes MARSOC. For now, we don't really have an accurate M45 pistol, so I guess strict immersion dictates the M9 as the closest approximate representation, while the more practical minded would probably take the Custom Covert II as it's the only pistol in the arsenal with a suppressor. It's also worth noting that MARSOC operators typically prefer and choose the Glock 17 over the M45 Edited May 23, 2017 by HM2 (FMF) Truscott SSGT B. TRUSCOTT Retired
LCpl (Ret) McKnight Posted May 23, 2017 3 hours ago, HM2 (FMF) Truscott said: It's also worth noting that MARSOC operators typically prefer and choose the Glock 17 over the M45 9mm master race shows supreme 1 LCPL J. MCKNIGHT Retired
SSgt (Ret) Truscott Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, LCpl McKnight said: 9mm master race shows supreme It really is a great calibre. All them home defence junkies will go on and on about "stopping power", but there's a reason why the SEALs used the SIGs in 9mm for so long, and when they switched to a new service pistol it was still a 9mm (Glock 19). SSGT B. TRUSCOTT Retired
Markin Author Posted May 23, 2017 Yah, the Glock is the preferred MARSOC pistol. We really should have a suppressor for it in our box. I looked at the M27 IAR in our box, and its a bit off. By default it weighs 5 kilograms, but an empty IAR weighs 9lbs. So its a bit heavier than the actual gun. Also it for some reason is less accurate than the HK416, which is what an IAR is. Eh. RHS mods will be RHS. I think the Glock with a suppressor is more important to milsim.
SSgt (Ret) Truscott Posted May 24, 2017 I agree about the suppressor for the Glock. No reason why we shouldn't have access to them. SSGT B. TRUSCOTT Retired
SSgt Gwynne Posted May 24, 2017 2 hours ago, LCpl Markin said: Yah, the Glock is the preferred MARSOC pistol. We really should have a suppressor for it in our box. I looked at the M27 IAR in our box, and its a bit off. By default it weighs 5 kilograms, but an empty IAR weighs 9lbs. So its a bit heavier than the actual gun. Also it for some reason is less accurate than the HK416, which is what an IAR is. Eh. RHS mods will be RHS. I think the Glock with a suppressor is more important to milsim. I'd just like to note that a pistol is a sidearm/pdw and should not be the first option, thus a suppressor for one is situational at best and useless at worst. I'm not saying we shouldn't have them though. SSGT D. GWYNNE Critical Skills Operator 3d MRB, Marine Raider Regiment
LCpl (Ret) McKnight Posted May 24, 2017 10 hours ago, HM2 (FMF) Truscott said: It really is a great calibre. All them home defence junkies will go on and on about "stopping power", but there's a reason why the SEALs used the SIGs in 9mm for so long, and when they switched to a new service pistol it was still a 9mm (Glock 19). word. with modern day hollow points, there really isn't a reason to choose .45 ACP over 9mm (although a 1911 in anything but .45 is still blasphemy). AR platforms are GOAT for home defense. 1 LCPL J. MCKNIGHT Retired
Steel Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) On 5/23/2017 at 1:43 AM, HN J. Wolfe said: I though Raiders were issued M45s as standard, did that change somewhere along the line? On 5/23/2017 at 0:41 PM, HM2 (FMF) Truscott said: It's also worth noting that MARSOC operators typically prefer and choose the Glock 17 over the M45 The Glock 19 is pretty much the standard in not only MARSOC, but most SOCOM units right now. https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/marines-opt-for-9mm-over-45-caliber-pistols-for-special-operators https://kitup.military.com/2016/10/marsoc-chooses-glock-19s-45s-raiders.html The SEAL's even replaced their SIG P226's with the Glock 19. https://sofrep.com/47496/47496/ Unfortunately RHS only has a 17, but it's pretty much as close as you can get right now without adding the Glock 19 from the RH pistol pack. Edited May 29, 2017 by LCpl Steel
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