Maj (Ret) LaPrade Posted May 15, 2018 Seems like Marine Infantry squads are going to be adapted to more specialized warfare, rather than just grunt work. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Hart Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) Personally I would be concerned about the decreased lack of maneuverability and flexibility a three man fireteam would have. Only three people means that fireteam sized bound and maneuver tactics have to stay in closer and move slower. The squad itself must stay more consolidated and would cover less ground, or at least, would cover it slower. That said, the squad leader would definitely benefit by the two additional personnel effectively making the squad HQ a fourth fireteam. Hopefully the tactics will allow that additional fireteam to maintain the effective reach and dispersion the squad could have and counteract the negative effects of the three man teams. Also, designated grenadiers I definitely like. @Maj Ray I'd be interested to hear Steven's thoughts on this though he did primarily 2 fireteam stuff. Edited May 15, 2018 by Capt Hart Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt (Ret) Kardnal Posted May 16, 2018 *Eyes the 15th* 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maj (Ret) Ray Posted May 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Capt Hart said: @Maj Ray I'd be interested to hear Steven's thoughts on this though he did primarily 2 fireteam stuff. He still would. His third fire team would have the larger weapons, like the MAAWS and the M38 DMR. The assistant squad leader would probably be with them, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Hart Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Maj Ray said: He still would. His third fire team would have the larger weapons, like the MAAWS and the M38 DMR. The assistant squad leader would probably be with them, too. But would you not then be losing the advantage of the HQ fireteam? With the ASL attached there then you just have a full strength fireteam that has the big crap on it and still 2 fireteams with just 3 and an HQ with 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maj (Ret) Ray Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Capt Hart said: But would you not then be losing the advantage of the HQ fireteam? With the ASL attached there then you just have a full strength fireteam that has the big crap on it and still 2 fireteams with just 3 and an HQ with 2. This is why you'd have to ask Stevens. I'd say the HQ fire team in this scenario performs suppression, and the remaining fire team flanks, sweeps, and clears. Then the mini-weapons team and the clearing team reform on the suppressing team, containing the squad leader, and they re-form and continue movement. Edited May 16, 2018 by Maj Ray Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSgt Falconer Posted May 16, 2018 Rapier rather than Broadsword, I like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MAJ Carrera Posted May 16, 2018 The infantry squad isnt the only thing changing here's the full story:https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a20703849/marine-corps-more-tanks-drones-missiles/ sounds like the majority of the changes are equipment upgrades, M203>M320, SMAW>MAAWS, IAR's get suppressors, ect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSgt Falconer Posted May 16, 2018 Not only does IARs get supressors, EVERYBODY gets an IAR. I wonder what will become of all those M249s laying around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maj (Ret) Ray Posted May 16, 2018 Just now, Capt Falconer said: Not only does IARs get supressors, EVERYBODY gets an IAR. I wonder what will become of all those M249s laying around. Rear line duty, like the M4s that they're replacing with M27s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Hart Posted May 18, 2018 Sad. Personally I found the IAR to be a fancy M4 with the 249 still as the main support and suppression weapon system. Ya just can't beat 200 rounds of sustained suppressive fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSgt Falconer Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) Its about accuracy rather then area suppression. A man can be trained to withstand the effects of suppression, a man can not be trained to withstand the effects of a bullet hole in the head. You will still have 240s and 50s for all your fully automatic suppression needs. Edited May 18, 2018 by Capt Falconer Typo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K. Cooper Posted May 18, 2018 In actuality, the Marine Corps is effectively distributing the IAR’s suppressive; fully automatic capability, to the entire small unit level. In doing so, Marines can still provide sustained, suppressive fire with a breeze whilst maintaining a maneuverable posture at all times. With this change, tactics at the small unit level are destined to develop. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites